LATK#4 – Miss Understanding (ENG)

Why one group of people does not get what an other group of people says

Miss Understanding

This episode is in English.

We live in a divided time. There seem to be two groups of people that have very different perception of reality. Most likely you are yourself member of one of these groups. Most likely you never consciously decided to be in one or the other group, it just happened. And most of your friends happen to be in the same group.

Your family: not so much. Like most people, you have family members, that are in the other group, you know, whom I am talking about: it is that uncle/sister/nephew that you avoid talking about politics/religion/life, because he/she never gets it. And you never get, what he/she says.

This podcast explains why.

And as a bonus it will let you see how humankind will develop.


There is also a video of this podcast available. It includes the slides from the original talk.

Music by Jim Avignon / Neoangin and Ilja Pollach, Cologne.


Don’t believe the stories – if you want able to be able to understand reality

Yuval Noah Harari is one of the great thinkers of our time. He combines his sharp and clear observations, in new and meaningful ways and by doing that, often times, comes to enlightening conclusions. How did he get there? How did he learn to see things, not the way people around him see them, so he is able to come to new and better conclusions? He talks about this in the above video-clip. Being gay and growing up in a society that thought gay = wrong gave him a strong incentive to develop an alternative view. He knew better, because he had more and better information on being gay than most people. Because he is gay himself.

Teaching Korsakow I meet a lot of people with a strong talent to see things differently.  Years ago, when I was teaching at German Literature Institute in Leipzig, I became aware that many of the people, with the strongest talent to formulate alternative views, were in fact different from the majority, in a way that was not really accepted by the majority and a high percentage of these skilled people were gay. Being different in the right environment and with the right thinking-tools at hand, can be helpful to unlock potential to become an independent thinker.

And I especially like what Yuval Noah Harari says in the beginning:
You have to learn to not believe the story!


You can only understand sex if you have sex – right?

Opening talk at Docmedia at Film University Babelsberg, June 21, 2018

People often think that the best way to understand a situation is to be in the situation. This is in fact false. When being in a situation, the personal angle on the situation becomes so convincing that it suppresses other, very often more meaningful perspectives.

When I grew up, I was told that there are things, that are true. People might not be able to see them, but they the are true nevertheless. And I was told, that there is a truth to everything. This meant, that you can either be right or you can be wrong. A politician can either be right, or wrong. Every opinion can either be right or wrong, you just have to drill deep down and then you can recognise the truth.

This was in fact all false.

Truth is, that truth does not exist.

So let’s better get rid of the word truth altogether and reframe the sentence: The reality is, that truth does not exist. This new sentence might sound similar. But it is not the same. Reality is not truth. Reality is, what we agree on – for the moment.

Think of a table. We can agree on a table. This is the reality that we now share between our monkey brains. But one million years ago, if this table would have existed, there was no-one there, that would have understood it, as a table. And in one million years from now, if this table still exists, it is very, very unlikely that it will still be thought of as a table.

It is very handy to live in a reality that is shared with others. And it is actually very painful, when this shared reality slips away. If you ever broke up with a person you loved – you know.

Not only with people, you are close with, shared reality comes in handy. If you are hungry, it is great, if you live in a shared reality, where you can exchange a 2 Euro coin for a sandwich.

So reality is not something that is already there, and we just have to find it, it is rather something, that we have to agree on. So how do we agree on reality? How does that work? How is reality built?

We agree on reality by sharing stories between each other.

We build reality by telling stories. Story-telling might not be the only tool to build reality, but it is the most powerful. It is the tool, that human apes developed the furthest.

It is not that you tell a story and then it is. For Reality to be, it needs to be shared between our monkey brains.

If I tell the story, that I own billion Euro, that would not change my financial status. But if I manage to convince everyone relevant around me, that I own one billion, then I would live the life of a very wealthy human ape.

This is a trick that some master very well. They use the trick to create reality the way they want it to be. And if the image of President Donald Trump comes into your mind now – yes this is an excellent example.

President Donald Trump is a magician that is able to create reality out of thin air. As long as enough people let him. As long as enough people chime in, to his reality.

So here we are, and I could now talk about the responsibility of media producers. So many of you – my friends – are media producers, storytellers, reality creators.

But I would like to talk about another angle of storytelling.

Exploring reality.

Storytelling is not only a tool to shape reality, it is also a tool to explore reality. And we do that all the time. Because we do not just tell stories, we also listen to stories. And you, as a producer of a narration, you do that. Before making a film or an i-Doc, or an article, you read books, articles, you listen to people. You take in other stories to get a better understanding of reality, before you express your vision of reality, yourself.

This is, what I am most interested in, in my work: To get a better understanding, how the world works, what reality is. To observe and to explore the world. And that means to explore the way we tell stories.

The edges of reality.

I am especially interested in the edges of reality. The borders of reality. So something is within the borders of reality and something is outside of those borders. Of course – the things that are outside of reality, we can’t see them, they are invisible, unthinkable.

But what is interesting, is that these borders of reality are not fixed. They change over time. There are things, that were not part of the shared reality in the past. But they became part of it. Things unthinkable in the past suddenly pop into existence. We live in a time, where it happens all the time, that, not too long ago unthinkable things, just pop into reality. 1000 years ago this was very rare.

Bacteria. Totally outside of the shared reality of human apes for the very most of their existence. Then suddenly, they became thinkable, measurable, and we could even make them visible.

As soon as something becomes thinkable, it is more likely to become visible, hear-able, touch-able, smell-able, feel-able.

Reality is a cloud.

The territory of reality changes its shape over time. New things become part of reality and others drop out.

Things that have dropped out, were part of reality in the past, but they are not any more. These things that are not part of reality any more, are difficult to see, because they are now invisible, only indirectly we can notice them. From evidence we find, we are able to tell, that they must have been part of the shared reality, in the past. When we find temples of ancient gods for example we know that these gods must have been part of the shared reality of the people in the past.


A microscope is a tool, and when it was invented and pointed at an edge of reality, a new reality became visible and reality expanded. This new reality, quickly became part of the shared reality. The findings of the people, that were the first to look through microscopes, are now taught in school.

You can also use a camera and point it at the edge of reality, learn new things and thereby expand reality.

Storytelling is a tool.

Like a camera is a tool. Like a microscope os a tool. Tools that allow to do two things:

  1. Explore reality and thereby expanding it – making reality wider
  2. communicate reality and thereby solidifying it

Expanding reality.

What is the best practice, if you want to expand your understanding – the premise to expand reality? You want to observe something from a perspective as neutral as possible. So what does that mean – neural?

You need to have a perspective like someone – who is not in the situation.

Let me give you an example. When I have a tense discussion, a fight with someone, often I get angry or emotional. That is not a good receipt to get a good understanding for the situation. Later, after my mind has calmed down, I usually get a better understanding of the situation. I know what I could have said, and usually I also understand the other person. Unimaginable for me, when I was in the situation.

This is a practise, an exercise.

In the beginning, when I got together with my later wife, we had intense fights. Fights so intense, like I had never experienced in previous relationships. But with every fight, we learned something about each other. Every fight became a learning experience. This is something I had also not experienced in other relationships. It was, because my wife taught me a trick: to get yourself out of the situation, while you are in the situation, so that you can look at the situation from a different perspective. And from this different perspective, I could see two people in a situation with each other, two people that I loved and I suddenly was able to understand them both.

Observer outside.

Storytelling can be a tool for better understanding reality, but only, if you are an observer that is outside the situation. If you are inside the situation, you are an actor. You have to deal with all your confusing feelings, but you do not get a better understanding for the situation itself.

You might get a better understanding for yourself. Yourself being in this particular situation, which makes it convincing, and you might think that you have a better understanding for the situation, but in fact, you are furthest away from understanding the situation itself.

This is how stories are told today: exciting, emotional, they try to create empathy.


The way we tell stories now – the current CONTEMPORARY STORY FORMAT is a result of the hyperlinear way of storytelling, that was only possible, after the invention of film.

Expanding vs. solidifying.

In the the beginning, when film was invented, people using cameras, were explorers of reality. And by exploring reality, they expanded it. But then, they started to edit what came out of their cameras. And by editing it into a fixed narration, that never changes, even if you looked at it a 1000 times, they explained reality and thereby solidified it.

This became more and more the focus of media makers: To explain reality. And by explaining reality you solidify it.

The computer changes the way we tell stories.

We have now new ways of narration, that became possible, with the computer. With the help of the computer, we can now create rich media narrations, that are not fixed. That expand reality, not solidify it. With the help of computers and the internet, we can collaborate with other brains. And that way, we can use the help of these other brains, to explore the edges of reality better.


I happen to work at a TV news broadcaster. This is how TV was done in the past and is still done, today: There are – actually just a few – people, who go out into the world and explore reality (mainly using cameras). Then they return to the TV-station, edit their material and explain to the audience, how the world works. The TV-station is an institution, that does a very tiny bit of exploration and a lot of explanation. A tiny bit of expanding and a lot of solidifying reality. That practice is rooted in old TV technology. Before the internet it was not possible to do it in another way.

Future media institutions.

Now things can be done differently and we can already see new institutions appear. And these new institutions might replace the old ones. Institutions, that focus on exploring and understanding reality. The media-institution of the future is less of a broadcaster, and more of a university.

People working at these new institutions go out, explore reality, and they take back what they found. Up to this point it is not much different from how it is done traditionally. But then they discuss their findings with others – with the audience – and they ask the others – the audience – for advise. They document the whole process and make it available. This way of working, is far less focussed on the end-product, but much more on the process.

The mindset of media-makers today is: think about the audience, think about what they want.

The mindset of media-makers in the future will be: think about the audience, think about what they can do for you – for getting a better understanding of reality.

Die verdammte Pflicht des Autors

Ziel des verantwortungsvollen Autors muss sein, dem Publikum zu ermöglichen, Verständnis für Zusammenhänge zu bekommen. Dass die Menschen also ein Gefühl für die Komplexität der Zusammenhänge erlangen.

Es darf nicht darum gehen, dem Publikum zu erklären, wie die Dinge funktionieren. Denn das Erklären komplexer Sachverhalte in einfachen Kausalketten macht den Menschen zum Idioten. Denn nur ein Idiot bildet sich ein, zu wissen, wie die Dinge funktionieren.

In der heutigen Welt gibt es niemanden mehr, der selbst allgegenwärtige Dinge in in seiner Komplexität verststeht.

So, wie es niemanden mehr gibt, der etwas so banales wie zum Beispiel ein Auto verstehen kann. In groben Züge vielleicht, das mag dem Idioten genügen, doch bis ins Detail? Bis hin zum chipgesteuertem Bosch Einspritzungdüsensystem?

Oder die Frage, was passiert im Körper, wenn man ein Ei ißt?

Wir wissen zu viel über die Welt, als sich in einer einfachen Wahrheit ausdrücken lässt. Wir wissen zu viel über die Welt, als sich in einer Wahrheit ausdrücken lässt.

Wenn einem jemand gegenübersteht und verkündet, dass er versteht, wie Dinge funktionieren, dann weiß man nur, dass dieser jemand entweder ein Lügner ist, oder  ein Dummkopf.

Der intelligente und verantwortungsvolle Autor ist sich um die Komplexität der Dinge bewusst und behandelt das Publikum nicht wie Idioten.

Das Land der Langeweile ist voll von Erkenntnis

Die Wege des Denkens verlaufen manchmal auf seltsamen Pfaden. Vor Jahr und Tag habe ich einen Text in einem Buch geschrieben. Ein Satz aus diesem Text wurde in einem anderen Buch zitiert, und dieser Satz erneut in einer ‘Kundenrezension’ auf Amazon, auf die ich zufälliger Weise gestoßen bin.

Daraufhin folgender Kommentar meinerseits, auf den Kommentar zum Buch mit Zitat des Zitats (oder so ähnlich):

Ich möchte mich entschuldigen, dass sich mein Kommentar nicht auf das Buch selbst bezieht, sondern auf den im vorangegangenen Kommentar zitierten Satz von Florian Thalhofer. Zufälliger Weise bin ich jener Florian Thalhofer und vielleicht interessiert sich ja jemand für die Geschichte hinter dem zitierten Satz. Denn ursprünglich habe ich geschrieben: “Die Leute sagen, sie finden Korsakow-Filme LANGWEILIG, weil sie nicht verstehen, was ihnen gesagt werden soll.“ Um das Wort “langweilig” gab es dann einige Diskussion mit den Lektoren, offenbar ist das Wort in Verbindung mit “Story” toxisch, wir einigten uns dann auf “anstrengend”.

Ich sehe Geschichten-erzählen nicht nur als Werkzeug um ein Publikum zu fesseln oder zu unterhalten, sondern auch als Werkzeug um ein besseres Verständnis von der Realität zu erlangen. Die Geschichte als Instrument ‘zu verstehen’, nicht ‘zu erklären’.

Da Geschichten nach allgemeinem Verständnis nicht ‘langweilig’ sein dürfen, nimmt man sich ganz viel von den Möglichkeiten der Erkenntnis, die in den Bereichen der langweiligen Geschichte liegen.

‘Ulysses’ von James Joyce ist sicherlich ein langweiliges Buch, nach allen Regeln der Kunst. Nichts desto Trotz wurde es in den Kanon der wichtigen Literatur aufgenommen. Ein Hinweis darauf, dass es Relevanz besitzt. Es ist also möglich, relevante Geschichten jenseits der spannenden Geschichte herzustellen. Ich sage ja nicht, dass man es tun muss. Jeder Autor, jede Autorin kann für sich entscheiden, ob er/sie spannende, fesselnde Geschichten fabrizieren will, oder den Mut aufbringt, sich in Gebiete vorzuwagen, die als ‘langweilig’ gekennzeichnet sind.

Im Bereich des ‘langweiligen’ gibt es viel zu entdecken. Im Bereich des ‘spannenden’ nicht mehr so sehr, denn dieser Bereich ist abgegrast, darin tummeln sich ja bereits die allermeisten Geschichtenerzähler.

“Die Leute verstehen nicht, was ihnen in einem Korsakow-Film gesagt werden soll.” Das ist logisch, denn ein Korsakow-Film will dem Betrachter in der Regel nichts sagen, hat keine Message. Ein Korsakow-Film will es dem Betrachter ermöglichen ‘zu sehen’ und sich selbst eine Meinung zu bilden. In dem Bewusstsein, dass diese Meinung nur eine Meinung von vielen möglichen Meinungen ist.

Ist das langweilig? Ich finde es äußerst spannend!



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